In this Interview
Author of Embraced by the Light
Life after death
Why suicide is wrong
Our mission here on earth
I found this interview very touching. Her explanation of trials rang true to me. Whether or not you believe that Eadie truly visited heaven, her ideals of unconditional love are inspiring.
An Interview with Betty Eadie
by Veronica M. Hay
Betty Eadie is the author of … Embraced by the Light
The fascinating account of one woman’s journey beyond death and back.
What is it like to die and return to life?
Embraced by the Light has the answer.
At the age of 31, Betty Eadie was recovering in the hospital after surgery. Although she was expected to recover fully, sudden complications arose and she died. The events that followed have been called by experts “the most profound and complete near-death experiences ever.”
Now, after many years and countless prodding’s from friends and family, Betty finally feels comfortable sharing her experience with the public. She does so in the New York Times Best-selling book entitled Embraced By the Light, the incredible account of one woman’s journey into the hereafter. The response to the book has been overwhelming.
Betty’s book stands out from other near-death experience accounts because of it’s amazing detail. Betty was in the next world far longer than most near-death experiences and she came back with an almost photographic view.
Betty Eadie’s message in Embraced by the Light brings hope and understanding to those who have lost a loved one or may be nearing their own death. She instills courage and peace in us all
Veronica: The first thing I wondered when reading your book Embraced by the Light, was, why the long gap between your experience on November 18, 1973 and the publishing of the book. Was it not yet the right time? Betty: That’s exactly what it was. The timing wasn’t right. I knew that I would be told when the time was right for the book and I believe too that I also needed to process and assimilate the information that I had received and perhaps I wasn’t ready to write it.
Veronica: Why do you think you were chosen for this experience? Betty: I have no idea. I guess it is going to go on unanswered forever. I wish I knew. Perhaps it’s my commitment to it. I don’t know. I’ve thought about it. I have no answer for it.
Veronica: What do you mean by your commitment?
Betty: My commitment to the experience, to what I received. I am totally committed and I am the type of person who follows through with her commitments. So, I guess I am just roughly looking for an answer and there is none, except to look into my personality, perhaps to find out. The answer is obviously there somewhere and I’m too close to it to see.
Veronica: You mention the three men in robes that appeared to you just after your death. You refer to them as your monks and ministering angels as opposed to guardian angels. What is the difference?
Betty: Ministering angels are angels that administer to your spiritual needs. Guardian angels are those that are there for more of a protection, keeping you out of harms way.
Veronica: During your experience you said that you wanted to learn the purpose of life on earth. Just why are we here then?
Betty: To learn to love unconditionally, as close as possible. I don’t think we’ll ever achieve that, but I do think we are to learn to love as close as the Christ’s like love as is possible, to learn to love under the most unlikely circumstances and deepest tragedies. To learn to love even those people who are unlovable, to learn to love and accept them unconditionally, and not be judgmental. Love is very healing. I think the one thing that we lack the most here on this earth is that kind of love and yet we can only give what we have received and so we often have a difficult time with that. Perhaps because we haven’t received love during our childhood and we don’t know how to show love or we don’t know how to receive love.
Veronica: Do you think your own capacity for love increased after your experience?
Betty: Oh, there is no doubt.
Veronica: Would you elaborate on the spiritual, physical and universal laws you talk about in your book.
Betty: The spiritual laws are the things that pertain to God, that which is spiritual because of our divine nature. The physical laws pertain to our physical selves, our mortal selves. The universal laws are those that govern the universe and the world. All three are separate yet very much connected.
Veronica: Would you tell us about the humour that you experienced in the spirit world?
Betty: At first they used the same form of communication that we would use here on earth, until I could develop enough of an understanding of what I felt was the more natural way of communication, which is almost heart to heart, not really telepathy, but yet again that is a way to explain it. So, the humour they used was similar to the humour that we use here. In order to communicate with me they often used the same words and phrases. The humour was natural to me. It’s a loving humour. It is very much like the humour that we feel as parents when our little children do something that is so obviously wrong and yet to them it isn’t. So, we would smile at them and humorously guide them in the right direction.
Veronica: How would you explain the difference between heaven and earth?
Betty: As it was explained to me, like comparing a 35 millimeter print to its negative.
Veronica: Would you talk about your experience with the rose? I was particularly moved by that.
Betty: The rose seemed to be very symbolic of something I felt. I don’t know that I completely understand the symbolism. I wasn’t particularly attracted to roses before I experienced my death. But, when I saw this rose, I was in a very unusual way drawn to it. I went to the rose and I entered into the rose. I actually became a part of it, in that I was looking from within it, looking out and seeing through the petals, seeing the light in each little particle and becoming a part of the music, the melody that seemed to flow from it. It was a beautiful experience.
Veronica: And are you more attracted to roses now, because of that experience?
Betty: Not only am I more attracted to roses but I later learned that when I was a child (unknown to me though) one of my school principals had written a little story about me in which he had referred to me as his prairie rose. How ironic really, because my native name is Rose as well. Ever since, I have absolutely been attracted to roses and daisies also. I don’t know the purpose of the rose, except that I enjoyed it and appreciated it and I have a great love for them now.
Veronica: Often when someone has a spiritual experience, the intensity of the feelings diminish over time. Has this been the case with you?
Betty: Not at all. In my deepest times of despair I look back on this experience and it balances me. I can sense and feel it even as I now talk about it. I give hundreds, probably thousands, of presentations of my experience and when I become focussed on the experience, I relive it. I can feel this great desire and longing for where I was taken to and the spiritual beings that surrounded me. I can relive those moments there in the garden. Everything just comes back to life. I don’t know if that’s all a part of it, if that is something that was imprinted before I came back. I don’t understand it. I just know that I have this vivid recall of the entire experience. I taped all of this after I had the experience, but I never had to listen to it. The memory of it never left me. It was always there. And even though I had not written the book in those 19 years, I always used the experience to help other people. So this book wasn’t new to the people that surround me, the people that I worked with, in my volunteer work and my work also as a counselor. I just felt so limited. I felt there were so many people that needed to know about this and I felt that as soon as my spirit knew that it was the right time that I would write the book. And not just the book, I knew there would be a video, I knew there would be a movie. I just knew all of these things.
Veronica: You mention in the book that your mother died of cancer. Did you see her during this experience?
Betty: I didn’t mention seeing her because I believe that that was taken from my memory. I do believe that not only my mother, but my daughter, were a part of the grieving party. After I came back, I went into depression for quite a few years. Looking back on it and trying to understand it, I think that had I remembered them, with vivid recall, having visited with them, I don’t think I would have overcome my depression because I wanted to be back there, not here. I was told that those who we love would be there and so I know that the ones that I love were there, I just couldn’t remember them.
Veronica: Our most severe challenges will one day reveal themselves to be our greatest teachers. Can you give an example of that in your own life? Betty: I think probably one of the greatest challenges that I have connects back to love. I was one of those children that was never really bonded, having been taken away from my parents so young, and I think that bonding has a tremendous amount to do with love, unconditional love, with trust, with feelings of self worth and those have been my greatest challenges. Veronica: Everyone has a mission, no matter what, from becoming president, or being a mother, a teacher or whatever. Many people, I am sure, are wondering what their mission is, or if they really do have one. What would you say to help those people?
Betty: Everyone has a mission. I don’t think that we will necessarily know what our mission is. I believe that we are brought to that mission through the trials that we go through. Again those trials seem to test our strengths and through those trials we become stronger and that’s our greatest challenge. Take for instance, many of the people who have gone into counselling and helping people as a result of a tragedy happening in their lives. I give here the example of a man who recently lost his son. He found out later that his son was murdered and now this man is on television bringing about a tremendous amount of change to the word regarding these child abductions. Because of his pain, many things were done. Unfortunately, we aren’t always compelled to make changes unless we have some tragedy hit us. When those things happen, even this terrible thing that happened in Oklahoma, many changes will come about because of that particular tragedy.
Veronica: Is writing this book part of your mission, the mission that they showed you and the memory that they took away?
Betty: I would say that it is part of it because I was given the information and also allowed to remember it in such vivid detail. I’m absolutely sure that it is part of my mission. I do not believe that it is all of my mission because I am still here and they promised me that I would go back as soon as my mission was completed.
// —Veronica: So, there is obviously more to do?Betty: Right, there is more to do and I am busy doing it.
Veronica: Was writing this book indeed an adventure for you and did you expect the kind of response that you got?
BettyI didn’t know the physical changes that writing such a book would bring. For example, I didn’t understand the New York Times best seller list, I didn’t understand all of the publicity, all of the interest and the notoriety. But, what I did know was, that the book was going to absolutely blanket the earth. I knew that, I just didn’t know all of the details.
Veronica: During your view of pre-mortal existence you saw that birth is a sleep and a forgetting. Why do you think that is?
Betty: It is necessary to forget it in order for us to live here. It’s difficult knowing what I know, having experienced what I’ve experienced and then having to continue to live here with that knowledge.
Veronica: Because you want to go back?
Betty: Not only do you want to go back, but it is very hard to communicate with others unless you find people on that same level of thought. It’s hard to think of things as being tragic and painful when you know that there are lessons that are being taught, things that are being learned. Something good is going to happen. So, you have a tendency to feel differently about everything.
Veronica: The only thing that we take with us from this life is the good that we have done for others. Our strength will be found in our charity. Everything produces after it’s own kind. So then, what we give out, we get back. What goes around, comes around. Is that right?
Betty: Exactly. We are the creator of everything that we receive.
Veronica: I was particularly moved by the section on prayers. The range of our help for others is immense, you said, and if the faith of our friends is weak, the strength of our spirits can literally hold them up. Would you talk about how that works?
Betty: That’s through prayer. We all have friends or relatives who go through low periods in their lives. And when they are going through these low periods of life, they need the help of our prayers, because they often don’t have the strength within their own prayers to lift them up, or perhaps the faith. And so, we are constantly to be praying for those that are in this need and hopefully we will have that returned when we are the lower and the weaker.
Veronica: Why must we never consider suicide?
Betty: Suicide is breaking a law. We are here to fulfill a purpose. When we take our lives, we have shortchanged ourselves, as well as others. Sometimes depression can be beneficial to many people. Not necessarily for the person going through the depression at that particular moment, but sometimes it is a teacher and a help to other people who are perhaps servicing that person, healing that person. It is easy for us to give, but it’s hard to be a receiver of things. At least it is for me. It is very hard for me to receive something. I’ve always been the giver. I’ve learned that we must balance all things. That you give joy to another by allowing them to give to you. So, when we take our life, we literally are being self-centered, and we are wallowing in our own despair and our own problems. If we take our mind away from ourselves and stop just considering our own comforts, then we lose that tendency, that feeling towards becoming suicidal. Of course, that’s if you are dealing with just the mental. There are people who have a lot of physical problems that could bring them to the point of committing suicide and it is not our place to judge. Some of these people would not do this if they were in their right mind. In fact, I believe that no one would commit suicide were they in their right mind.
Veronica: So, basically when someone is feeling that way or depressed they should think of what they could do for someone else?
Betty: Right. Re-focus. Because at that moment they are still focussed on self. Veronica: The music tape that has been released about your experience, how did that come about? How were you and some of the musical creators able to capture some of the incredible sound that you describe in your book?
Betty: It was done through inspiration. I met Stan Zenk who is one of the composers. I heard some of the music that he was playing and it just absolutely brought me to tears. It just hit me at the soul level. So, I asked him if he would create the music for that experience. He worked with Bryce Neubert and they came up with some beautiful music. Music is so healing to the soul. We need more of it, more good music in the world.
Veronica: What is ahead for you now, Betty? I understand that you are about to write another book. Would you tell us about it.
Betty: The next book is the questions and answers to Embrace by the Light. I received thousands and thousands of questions, as you can imagine, and I had to keep Embraced by the Light very short and very simple. I thought that if I went into it too deeply, the message would be lost, the message about love. And so, this other book is almost an absolute have to, one that is more difficult, in that I don’t have all the answers, but the mere fact that I don’t have them, I think, needs to be told as well. So, this is the book I’m working on right now. It is a continued journey, I guess of Embraced by the Light, where I have been and where I am going with Embraced by the Light. And during the telling of that, I hope to answer as many questions as I possibly can.
I am also working on the movie. This is something that I think will be very beneficial to those who don’t like to read. You know, we have all these different senses, some people are more intrigued with a book, others more intrigued with movement, with eyes, the visual and others like to just hear. So, I am trying to touch all senses and hoping that every bit of this will bring people closer to the God like quality within them and that is love.
Veronica: Thank you, Betty.
Interview with Betty J. Eadie
Tuesday, January 13, 2004
Coast to Coast AM, with George Noory
Transcribed from coasttocoastam.com
GEORGE: Top of the hour, my guest, Betty Eadie. She died once, and that happened following routine surgery, and she came back with a message. We’ll find out what that message is right here…
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GEORGE: After a near-death experience — we call them NDE’s — that followed routine surgery, Betty Eadie survived, returned with a message. That message we will discuss in a moment.
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Betty Eadie was born in rural Nebraska, and spent her early childhood on the Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota. In 1973, November, at the age of 31, Betty died following routine surgery. After undergoing what has been called the most profound and detailed near-death experience ever recorded, she returned with a life-changing message. Enlightened by her experience, Betty studied psychology and the human response to death. She also participated in a near-death study with a local university. She then entered one of the largest schools of hypnosis, graduating at the top of her class, and opened a clinic to continue her examination of the subconscious mind and its connection, if any, to the near-death experience. Today, after more than twenty-five years of NDE studies, Betty J. Eadie continues her quest by collecting and evaluating thousands of near-death accounts. Welcome to Coast to Coast.
Hello, Betty. How are you?
BETTY: Well thank you, George. I am… I am wonderful. Thank you.
GEORGE: My pleasure. Tell me a little bit about the 1973 surgery. What — if you can, if I’m not getting too personal — what did you go in for, and then just, what happened?
BETTY: I went in for a partial hysterectomy, which is not… well, it isn’t the type of surgery you would expect to die from…
GEORGE: No, not at all.
BETTY: But I was 31 years old, in good health, and everything looked pretty good, so my husband and I decided that I would go ahead and have the surgery. During the surgery I hemorrhaged… they were able to repair that, but later that evening, I hemorrhaged again. And it was around 9:30, because I recall looking at the clock and… I was very frightened about having the surgery because I was a mother… of course, I had seven children at that time, but never had I ever had surgery. But I was frightened of death because of the fear that was instilled in me from childhood…
GEORGE: Oh sure. Yeah.
BETTY: …in that I thought that if I died I would go straight to hell. So this experience was nothing that I had ever read about or heard about, and in 1973, nothing… well, near-death experiences… that phrase had not yet been coined. So, when I felt my body — I had napped, and I woke up at 9:30, and I felt my body shutting down, literally dying — I was very frightened. And I tried to ring for the nurse, which I couldn’t do, because I was in such a weakened condition…
GEORGE: Right. Were you still hemorrhaging at that time too?
BETTY: Apparently that’s when the hemorrhage had begun again, because it was during surgery, and they repaired it and then it started again. And I didn’t have the energy to call for the nurse. I felt my legs, my arms, dying, and then suddenly there was this… I heard a pop, a sound, and I was out of my body — up at the ceiling. And I turned and looked down and I could see myself lying there, which startled me tremendously, because there wasn’t one moment of lost consciousness. Ever. I was just suddenly there out of my body. There was no pain, I didn’t feel anything physical after that point, and I looked at my body… I had worked in hospitals before, studying to be an RN, so I came down to look at the body, and I could see that I had died.
GEORGE: You had that… Were your eyes open or closed, do you know?
BETTY: My eyes were actually closed…
GEORGE: They were. Okay.
BETTY: And I observed myself for a little bit, and then my spirit left the hospital to go home for a little bit to see my family… I thought about my family, and I was worried about my children… My youngest was five, and the oldest was fifteen. My husband was home caring for them while I was in the hospital, and I thought it was kind of amusing because I knew I was dead, but I looked around to see how I would exit…
GEORGE: And were you alone there in the hospital?
BETTY: I was alone in the room, uh-huh. And I went through the window, and traveled from the hospital to my home, and I could see my husband sitting in the chair — he was reading the newspaper — and the children were running all over the place. It was a quarter to ten, and he had not put them to bed as he had promised, and I was just a little bit annoyed at that. And I was concerned for them, but I could look at each one and see into their lives, how their lives would ultimately work out, and I knew that they were fine without me.
GEORGE: And you were sure at that point that you had died? This wasn’t just in your mind… you were thinking it was a dream or anything like that?
BETTY: No, not at all. I don’t how to explain this reality; it’s… you know, I’m right on the phone here talking with you on the radio, and this seems real to us, but the experience I had was even clearer than what I’m experiencing right now with you. It is a heightened awareness, and not for one minute did I doubt that I was dead, that what I was experiencing was real. I knew I wasn’t hallucinating… I had actually hallucinated after one of my pregnancies, and I know what that feels like, and of course I dream all the time, so I know what that is…
GEORGE: Now was this the kind of death you had imagined when you were a human being and you were fully alive?
BETTY: Not at all. No, not at all. Nothing like this at all. I was raised up as a Catholic in my youth, and my belief system had Catholic/Protestant… I went to various churches… pretty much at this age, 31, I believed that when you died you were buried and you stayed there until resurrection day, that the mind would be blank: you’re dead.
GEORGE: Well you didn’t believe in the soul, in the hereafter?
BETTY: Only after the resurrection.
GEORGE: Ah! So you didn’t think there was a separation immediately after death.
BETTY: Not at all, no, not all. So it was a shock to me just to see that not for one second did I lose consciousness, but I was aware at all times. And even greater awareness than what we experience here.
GEORGE: How long were you medically dead?
BETTY: I was aware of being dead from… again, I was in my house at a quarter to ten… so possibly just before that until about 2:30 a.m. in the morning. So it would be about… close to four hours.
GEORGE: Four hours. Now, without any brain function at all? I mean, my thought was, here you are… your physical body without oxygen just after a few minutes the brain starts to die…
BETTY: Yeah, well your spirit doesn’t need a brain…
GEORGE: Yeah, but your physical body does… And here you are talking to me now after four hours of being clinically dead. Nothing happened to you?
BETTY: To the body? You know, God can restore your body any way he wants to. I really have no answer for that except for that, during the twenty-five years of research, many, many people have experienced death, and for much longer periods than the four hours that I experienced, so it’s kind of embarrassing to even talk about that…
GEORGE: Well, I’m wondering… because this is fascinating… I’m wondering, Betty, if possibly, even though you may have separated from your physical body, if for some reason the brain, physical brain, is functioning, albeit even at a low vibration, where it’s still being kept alive, so to speak. So maybe you’re dead by all clinical purposes, but there’s something biological going on that still keeps that brain going.
BETTY: You know, anything like that is possible. One thing I’ve learned, and that is that there are no absolutes, and for me to so that, no, that isn’t a possibility, that would be absolutely crazy, wouldn’t it?
GEORGE: Okay. So, here you are, you’re looking at your home, your children are running around, you’re dead… at this point, does it seem to bother you that you’ve died?
BETTY: Yes, I was bothered — at that moment I was concerned about my children.
GEORGE: But not YOU!
BETTY: No. No, not me at all. Not at that point. I was very puzzled, and curious about what was happening to me, but it seemed the longer I was out of my body, the more accepting I was of what I was experiencing; in fact, I wanted to continue to experience the feeling of, well… it just felt…
GEORGE: Was it euphoric?
BETTY: It was euphoric. It was a… I had a sense of release from something that had been terribly burdensome to me before. It was just a wonderful a being out of the body.
GEORGE: Like being on a great vacation, you just don’t want to go back home yet.
BETTY: (laugh) Absolutely. That’s what I felt like. It was just awesome. I wanted to go on. In fact, I felt compelled to. And I went back to the hospital, and I heard this sound of chimes and music… it was very compelling. It drew me into what then appeared to be a tunnel, that was very comfortable. I was traveling for some time and then came to this dark space — it was pitch black, blacker than anything I have ever experienced. I love to camp, and sometimes out in wooded areas in the deep forest, it will get like that during the late night. And it was like that in this experience. I felt that there were many other spirits who were… like me, they were in this space. In fact, animals were there as well.
GEORGE: You could sense that, or see that?
BETTY: Oh, I could sense it; I couldn’t see them. But I could sense them. And I felt a tremendous amount of love. Love that I never felt, ever, before.
GEORGE: And you felt no evil at this point.
BETTY: No evil. Nothing but peace. I felt as though I was being bathed in comforting warmth, in love, being cleansed, purified… I don’t know… it was very healing, and if I had not traveled beyond this point, I would say that I would want to stay in this place, this space, wherever it was or is, I would want to stay there forever. That’s how wonderful it was.
GEORGE: Was there a recollection of sound, sound that we know it, at least on this planet, this plane?
BETTY: There were melodies and tones that I wouldn’t recognize here on earth. I mean, the tones are pure, and sweet, and healing. They are not like the tones we have here.
GEORGE: Almost like vibrations?
BETTY: Very much vibrations. Because they penetrate the spirit.
GEORGE: When you were in this… I’ll call it a dimension, right now… when you were in this dimension, do you recollect going through darker dimensions to get to it, or did you just seem to appear in this one?
BETTY: No, I went straight there.
BETTY: Then I saw a pinpoint of light, and this light just pierced this blackness. And it looked at first as if it came toward me, but on reflection I may have begun to travel toward it. I knew that I could move to it, because of some connection I had with it. And I traveled very quickly, and this was even at a more rapid pace than I had traveled before. And it seemed to take some time. And as I approached the light — it wasn’t like a beam of light that would flow out to me, or like a light bulb — it was actually a being of light that I came to. And when I got close to this light, I recognized the being of light. And when I saw who it was — and this is the part that probably shocked me more than any other part of the experience, in that I was so frightened of God, I was frightened of anything religious, because I’m part Native American, and during the early times of my life, I was raised in Catholic boarding schools and taught that not only as a Native American… of course, being a Native American they said I was a heathen, and I was also a sinner, and that I would never get to heaven, just for that reason alone. And of course any sin that I would commit would keep me even further from that.
GEORGE: Recorded in the Big Book up there, right?
BETTY: (laughing) It was recorded in my Big Mind — it was just there. And so when I saw him, what stunned me was that I recognized him. I knew him before I came to earth.
GEORGE: What did he look like?
BETTY: He was tall; he was magnificent in appearance…
GEORGE: Human looking?
BETTY: Human looking. Although many of the features were not distinguishable because of the light. I recognized him perhaps more through his essence, what I had experienced with him before. Although there were some physical features that made him human. And at some point I began to run to him, running like you would run to someone that you’ve loved forever.
GEORGE: Now running in terms of this spiritual body you were in?
BETTY: Yes, uh-huh. Yes. And he opened his arms, and I ran into his arms, and I said, “I’m home. I’m home. I’m finally home. And I never, ever, want to leave you again.” And I said that in a way in which I… I’m embarrassed in a way, but I have tell it as I experienced it… and I felt as though I was chastising him in some way. And he laughed. And I… (tearfully) I just loved him so much. I’m sorry. When I talk about this, I cannot… I cannot recall it without in some way re-experiencing the experience again.
GEORGE: It’s pretty emotional for you, huh.
BETTY: Yes, it was beautiful. Because of the great love, and unconditional love.
GEORGE: How do you know this wasn’t an angelic experience here, as opposed to a godly, even though it’s probably very close to one and the same?
BETTY: Because I knew who he was. And I knew that I had always known him. And I’ll be honest with you, having been raised in a dysfunctional environment, who would love the God that I was raised to worship? I didn’t. I didn’t want to believe what was taught me, I mean, I was raised in that environment from the age of four, and so there was tremendous amount of fear. I couldn’t believe it. I didn’t want to. I wouldn’t want to be in the presence of anyone who would do harm to another soul on this earth.
GEORGE: Now were there other spirits all around you, Betty, at this time, at this point?
BETTY: Not at that time. Just me and him. And I knew that he was Jesus. And I called him Jesus.
GEORGE: Alright, well, I want to find out at this point, when we come right back, how you got back into your physical body. I mean, if you were indeed dead for four hours, what got you back into your physical body? Why did that happen? Why didn’t you stay dead?
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GEORGE: And my guest tonight, Betty Eadie. She died, she came back. A little bit later on in the program tonight, we’ll open up the phone lines not only to chat with her, but perhaps you had one of your near-death experience stories you might want to share with us as well.
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GEORGE: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. I’m George Noory with Betty Eadie. Betty, at this point, how long does it take for you then to come back into your physical body? What happens? You’re dead, and all of sudden does somebody send you back?
BETTY: I was… while I was there with him, he wanted me to see what exists there for us after we leave this earth. And this is where my experience actually expands and goes on to… I went on to learn that each one of us came to earth by choice, of our own choosing, that we actually chose our parents, and our life situations that we would experience. And we did this so that we would have the spiritual growth that was necessary for us as individuals.
GEORGE: Do you believe in reincarnation?
BETTY: Uh, yes, I believe in reincarnation, but not as we have come to know it here on earth. And, I always believed in reincarnation because that was the only thing that made sense to me before the experience. But during the experience, I actually asked about reincarnation, and I was told that reincarnation upon this earth — going through life’s repeated lives — would not be necessary for the majority of the people, that there are other worlds that God created, and that our continued education would be best served in those places instead of here.
GEORGE: Interesting. So you do believe, also, then in extraterrestrial life?
BETTY: Yes I do.
GEORGE: Okay. We’ll get into that throughout tonight. Okay, so it sounds like there was a method for you, there was reasoning why they wanted you… why he wanted you… to be there. At this point, did you think you were coming back to your physical body at all?
BETTY: Oh, not at all! No. I was “in heaven”, so to speak, literally, and it was wonderful, and they showed me around, and I was able to travel from world to world even. And I know that sounds incredible, but I did it nonetheless, and was able to witness life in other worlds.
GEORGE: Now you’re talking about witnessing physical life, or spiritual life elsewhere?
BETTY: Well, they seemed to be both. And I knew that our earth, the world that we live in now, right here, that it is just one level of growth, but there are many levels, many universes, many… well, for instance, here just recently, I saw in the news that a new galaxy was formed, and I was taken to many galaxies, that were old, and some new, and some that were yet to be created. It was mind-boggling.
GEORGE: I mean, what are some of the things you experienced? I mean, tell me about… I guess what I’m really excited about, too, is… tell me about the advanced civilizations that they showed you.
BETTY: Well, there are… many of the worlds I was taken to, of course, most of that was taken from my memory. They said it was just too much for me to recall, and to bring back, and so I really cannot describe too much of that to you. Except for that, one exciting point when I was traveling from one universe to another, I heard a tone in the universe… the tone was actually a big B-flat that I identified… and here recently it has been identified… that that tone does exist out there. But unfortunate for our world, the tone in which governs our world is not a very healthy tone. Tones send out vibrations of energy — often the tone is healing energy, sometimes it is not — and the tone now that we are experiencing is not one of health.
GEORGE: Does it change?
BETTY: It does change, yes, by the vibration… from the vibration of the earth, and as the people here change, so do the tones.
GEORGE: Okay, so you don’t have any recollection of what some of these other places look like.
BETTY: No. No, I don’t. I wish I did.
GEORGE: How about how advanced they… I mean, how many years are we talking about ahead of us or behind us? Millions of years in either direction?
BETTY: Yes, I would guess that, yes, absolutely, that would be the case.
GEORGE: So some of them must be way advanced.
BETTY: Some of them are very advanced, some of them are not. It just depends upon, again, the level that people have grown, to apply their spirituality, not just what they’ve learned… nothing here that we’re actually learning here on earth is new, so you can learn everything that you want, or can, about technology, but once you’re out of this physical, you realize that everything we have here has been received through inspiration, and has already been created and developed in the spirit world.
GEORGE: Did you come away from this experience, Betty, feeling there’s more life in THIS universe, or we’re the only ones here, and of course there are other universes?
BETTY: No, I came away knowing that we are just one grain of sand on the beach, and that’s about it.
GEORGE: And it’s everywhere.
BETTY: And it’s everywhere. And that to think outside the box is where we all want to be, because there is… to say there absolutely is not this or that or the other, it’s just amazing when you are not here attached to this realm and you experience so much more. Coming back here is a nightmare, as a matter of fact. It was a horrible experience. I did not want to come back.
GEORGE: What made you come back, and why did they send you back, after this experience, they showed you all these things. And did you ever get the message on how this was created? I mean, that’s an answer I’ve been looking for all my life, how it began, how this spiritual world started.
BETTY: The greater picture, no, I didn’t, at least I don’t ever recall if it was ever told to me. But I actually did witness the creation of the earth. It was shown to me, in that they can take you back in time, pre-earth time, when we were all in this other realm, before the earth was created, and that we volunteered, those of us who are here now, and those before us and those after us, all volunteered to be participants in this particular world. And the creation of the earth was… we all took part in that as well. Many of the people there, the spirit people in the spirit world there, actually helped in the development of all of the animals, the insects, the plant life, everything that exists here was created by spiritual beings.
GEORGE: So you’re convinced the spiritual world was way ahead of, and existed before the physical.
BETTY: Oh, it is way ahead.
GEORGE: Okay. Do you believe that the spiritual world — that’s what I’ll call it — was around before the so-called Big Bang of the universe?
BETTY: Yes. Yes I do. And that is mind-blowing too, because, again, it’s so difficult to explain. But yes, all of that existed, and we were all a part of that. See, life is eternal; our lives have always been, and will always be; it’s just a continuation of growth and expansion. And the Betty you’re speaking to right now is not the Betty I am in the spirit world, although I am who I am. I was shocked to see, (laughing) too, that I… it’s like taking a portion of who I am there and cramming it into who I am here. It’s very difficult to express. And yet, when you leave this earth, you go back to what you have always been, which is expanded into a greatness that is just not conceivable here.
GEORGE: We’re stardust, aren’t we?
GEORGE: When… when you were learning some of these things — and again, you’re still medically dead — did you ever get the feeling that there’s a hell?
BETTY: No. No I didn’t.
GEORGE: Do you believe there is one now?
BETTY: No. No I don’t.
GEORGE: So you think that… I mean, what about the devil? Does he exist? Or it?
BETTY: You know, God is our creator, and he created Satan as a source of negativity, something for us to rub up against. It’s like an airplane, when an airplane tries to get up off the ground, it needs four energies: lift, thrust, drag, and gravity. We need that same type of energy to grow spiritually. And so the Satan is, of course, all the negativity… it’s a matter of perception.
GEORGE: Is it real, though?
BETTY: Oh yes. Very much. Yes, it is real.
GEORGE: See, I’m looking at it in a dimensional way, and I think it’s got to be somewhere.
BETTY: Yes. Oh, you mean, is there a hell somewhere?
BETTY: Well, I believe hell is right here on earth. Hell is what we experience. Hell is a cause and effect of negative energy, negative experiences, what we put out there.
GEORGE: Did you ever get the feeling, or the rationale, for why we have a physical world, when this spiritual world appeared to be, at least for you, so enlightening?
BETTY: Yes, I did. Because we can take that which is spiritual and bring it here to expand upon it by experiencing it in a physical way. We only really… It’s like going to a university and learning, well, picking up a tremendous amount of knowledge. It’s only when you use that knowledge, you internalize it. And so here on this earth, we can experience — and we all have our own separate education — and so this is another reason why we are to be very careful not to judge one another as we experience life. Not all people are meant to come here, and become wealthy, or to be healthy, or to be whole, or whatever. I mean, we come with our own particular and perfect form, not only in the flesh, the body that we live in, but also the right frame of mind, the, well… we’re perfect for the experience that we need, and when we leave this earth, go back with the education, everything that we came to acquire, then you’ll know that you actually succeeded, whereas most people will be looked at through mortal eyes as failures.
GEORGE: What was the message that you got when you were dead?
BETTY: There are many messages that I received there. One message is that, yes, there is a God, and he loves us unconditionally. Another message was, yes, there was a Christ, but Christ is a messenger of love. And yes, there are many religions, but there is no one, perfect religion. That there are many paths to get back to God — many religions will help people — but there’s really only one path, and that path is through love. And many people misinterpret what Christ’s mission was. It wasn’t going back to God through him, per se, as it was the message that he brought to us, which is: the pathway is love. We return back to God through love. And I actually had the opportunity to ask about the fears I had, such as going to hell. And I was told that, as a parent — and I’m a mother of seven — as a parent, he said, would you abandon any one of your children?
GEORGE: And I’m sure your answer would have been, “No.”
BETTY: Absolutely not. And if they made a mistake, or failed in some way, would I curse them, damn them, and send them into outer darkness? And I said, “Absolutely not!” And he said, “Then how much greater am I than you?” And I said, “Pretty great.”
GEORGE: And he said, “Absolutely not!”
BETTY: (laughing) He said, “Absolutely not!”
GEORGE: No, I didn’t die with you, Betty.
BETTY: No, you didn’t die with me, but you got the plan.
GEORGE: Knock on wood, right? But somehow I don’t think you’re afraid to die anymore, are you?
BETTY: I’m not afraid to die at all, because life really truly does begin after this life, although you would not want to commit suicide. I warn people, do not take your life. This life is so worth living. What I came back with was a tremendous meaning for living. I came back knowing that…
GEORGE: Well, tell me about this. I mean, nobody would want to recommend suicide, and, as Catholics, we were always taught that if you commit suicide, you go to hell. You, of course, have just said there is no hell. What happens to that person who decides to end their own life?
BETTY: I actually asked about that, and… God judges according to the heart. He explained to me that people who commit suicide, or any other act that is horrid, are people who are dysfunctional; they have mutated — their souls mutated somewhere along the line, perhaps even at birth, perhaps genetic problems. You know, we are not to judge, only He can judge. But that to condemn someone to hell is the greater sin, which is something we should never, ever do.
GEORGE: Is life… Did you come away, though, feeling that life, Betty, was precious?
BETTY: Very precious. Life is precious. Every breath you take is a gift from God. Every breath. And anything that you can do to help one other soul is worth millions and millions and millions of dollars if you had to put it in our human… you know… rewards. And that could be one simple act of kindness. Just even a smile. I was shocked, because I hadn’t really done too much on earth to, well, to help people. I grew up very dysfunctional, angry, bitter — I was kind; I hadn’t committed too many sins — but those things were not what God was interested in. My mortal sins were not interesting to him at all. What he was interested in was actually my spiritual growth. What did I do of kindness, of good? How much love did I have for my family, for those who were not family, who didn’t do good things for me?
GEORGE: Would you consider yourself, before you died, Betty, a good person?
BETTY: Umm.. [only] okay. I don’t know that I was, well…
GEORGE: Nothing to write home about, huh?
BETTY: (laughing) Nothing to write home about is right. Yes. In fact, I saw my light… you know, I was traveling toward the brighter light, I could see that my spirit body had a dim glow about it, and it was later, years later, just a few years ago, not too many years, maybe seven or so, I came home off a tour, I was exhausted, laying in bed, and I saw a little night-light that I had plugged into the wall. And I thought, “Oh my God, that is how dim my light was when I came to the light in heaven.” I crawled out of bed, unplugged it, crawled into the bathroom, turned on the greater light to look at it — it was seven watts of light. I hope and pray that, after my return here to earth, that I have increased my love to a greater wattage than seven lousy watts of light.
GEORGE: (laughing) We’ll be back in a moment with Betty Eadie, my guest. Gotta find out, Betty, how you came back into your physical body, and what it was like.
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GEORGE: Indeed, with my guest Betty Eadie. She died. Let me tell you a little bit about a couple of her books, her website: “Embraced by the Light”, “The Awakening Heart”. Her website, of course, is embracedbythelight.com, which is linked up with coasttocoastam.com. It’s there right now, if you want to go ahead and take a look at some of things she has done, when she died. She’s participated, by the way, in a lot of near-death studies. We’ll talk with her about that as well. Plus, the most important thing: I want to find out how she was sent back to the physical plane
GEORGE: And welcome back. I’m George Noory. Betty Eadie, my guest. Betty, so at this point, are they sending you back to your body yet?
BETTY: (laughing) No, and I’m so grateful that they didn’t. I know you’re anxious to learn how I came back.
GEORGE: (laughing) I want to know what it was like to come back into your body!
GEORGE: But we’ll get to that.
BETTY: Yeah. I didn’t want to come back, and I really, truly was allowed to see so much and experience a lot, but those who are interested, I’m sure they can go to my website and learn of it there, or a library to get the book, or purchase the book, or whatever. They can learn more. But, no, I didn’t want to come back. I was… my experience took place in 1973, and the age of thirty-one, I was bordering, I suppose, on being a feminist, and the attitude back then was Helen Reddy’s attitude, and that is simply that women ruled the world, or at least want to, and I felt that way there. So when I was taken before a council of men, my first thought was not a very pious one — I wasn’t too humble there. But I was told that there’s an order, there is reason for the male and the female, and how that serves God and the purpose that we are here to experience on earth. Having that explained to me, I felt very comfortable with being a female, and also standing there before the council.
GEORGE: So there’s a sex difference in the spirit world…
BETTY: Yes, uh-huh. I was female there, just as I was female here. Although, to be honest with you, I do believe that, depending upon the experience that you need, after this life, when you go into another experience, perhaps even into another world, that you would take the sex that you would… that best serves you. But I didn’t feel threatened by being male or female…
GEORGE: So I’d come back as an amoeba or something like that…
BETTY: Well, you may, or maybe not! (laughing) That would be up to whatever it is you haven’t pick up yet for your course of study, and something you needed to complete.
But as I stood there before the council of men, they wanted me to review my life, and this to me is where hell came in. I had to review my life from conception — and I’m emphasizing conception because that’s very important. During the time of conception, the spirit can enter the body, or not. It can wait until the moment of birth before it actually takes human form, or it can go into the mother’s womb at any time that it chooses.
GEORGE: So how would one know? I guess we wouldn’t, those who are alive, right?
BETTY: Well, this is where my hypnosis later came in. I know that, under hypnosis, you can access the spirit, and the spirit knows whether it entered the womb at conception or at birth. But I started at conception, my review. And I… during the time the mother is pregnant, the baby is very aware and tuned with everything that is taking place — conversations are heard between mother and father, people around — and it begins to develop self-worth during that early stage.
GEORGE: Based on, I guess, the sounds it hears?
BETTY: Based on the communication, because the spirit is aware of the language.
GEORGE: So it knows… alright, so it knows the words!
BETTY: Yes. When we baby-talk to babies, they really are laughing at us, because we don’t need to.
GEORGE: Goo-goo goo-goo, and they say, “What are you doing?”
BETTY: (laughing) Well how would you like someone to get in your face and do that, huh?
GEORGE: Yeah, that’s true.
BETTY: Right. And so they laugh because we’re funny to them. They actually are already aware of the English… well, of whatever language they are to speak. And they understand it well, far better than actually we do at…
GEORGE: Is it because the spirit understand it, or does the physical baby eventually…
BETTY: The spirit has already been educated to the language.
BETTY: Yes. It already knows what language it is to speak, and is aware of all of that. It has already been educated to the parents and the possibilities of being born even into dysfunctional homes, which most homes are, and what those problems might be, and what the DNA –the cellular memory — of that particular family might bring you.
GEORGE: So it knows if there’s a violent family, it knows if there’s a loving family, it picks up on all that.
GEORGE: Now does that effect the fetus in the womb, in terms of the quality of the family?
BETTY: Yes, it does. And the fetus… the spirit is actually on a mission, perhaps even to that family, something that they have been given by God to bring to that family, to make a change. It’s like a tweak in the matrix of life. When one little tweak is done, it changes rapidly as it spreads out, and widens, and eventually, of course, it includes changing something in the world. And so, say for instance there is a very dysfunctional family and a child is born — and I talk to many women who have been sexually abused by their fathers — and as a spirit, you might — not “might”, you will — have the strength and the power to come into that family knowing that that is a possibility for you, and maybe even experiencing it, but knowing that you can make a difference in that family’s life, by changing that.
GEORGE: How so?
BETTY: Well because you change the energy, the cellular memory, the DNA, all of that is tweaked by the change that you make.
GEORGE: They change it when the baby’s born?
BETTY: The change that you make as an adult to your memory. In other words, if you do not pass that along through your experience, you actually tweak the matrix of change. You can forgive in a way that perhaps that person… most abusers have been abused.
GEORGE: I believe that. Yeah, that’s true.
BETTY: Yes. And through your forgiveness, you actually begin a healing process in that person’s life. It’s very… you’re very much like a sacrificial lamb, but only at the spiritual level would you have chosen to do that, because, of course, what mortal being in their right mind would choose such a thing? They wouldn’t. But as I said earlier, as a divine being, which we all are, when we go back to what we were instead of what we are right now, we will all be very surprised at how much more we are developed and how much more we can endure.
GEORGE: So, at least what you’re learning when you were in this state is that the spirit picks and chooses, comes in when it wants to, conception or at the moment of birth — and I assume at that point it’s when they breathe their first breath…
BETTY: Yes. And even the children who are born handicapped, these spirits never needed a life experience here. They come to gift that family with their presence.
GEORGE: Do we ever run out of souls or spirits to put into human bodies?
BETTY: No. No, we don’t.
And so, going through my life review beginning back at conception and coming forward to the age of thirty-one now, I experienced every moment of existence. I saw everything about my parents, family friends, the ripple effect of all things in my life. The way that I was mistreated, the way that I mistreated. And when I hurt someone, I had to experience their ripple. For instance, I never murdered anyone, but I know people are going to say, “What about murderers?” If you take someone’s life in some violent way, in your life review, you are going to have to experience the exact murder, the exact same deed that you performed on someone else.
GEORGE: What, you experience that in the physical… in the spiritual world?
BETTY: Yes. As though you were IN the physical. And then you experience every person who loved that person; every ounce of pain that they suffered, you will experience it. It’s the most horrible thing.
GEORGE: That’s your own hell, isn’t it?
BETTY: That is to be in hell. And so when people say, well, what you’re saying is you’re getting away from hell, no you don’t get away from hell. You get into experience. You have internalize what you have done so that you can go beyond your present existence into a higher realm, otherwise you could not go there. You have to know what you did to hurt another being.
GEORGE: Well why were they giving you a life reading, when they knew you were going back?
BETTY: I think of it as a gift, because, after coming back, I’m very careful what I do to other people. I don’t want to experience one negative thing in my life review again. I try to remember to do those small acts of kindness, because I know that those acts of kindness come back as a big splash.
GEORGE: You couldn’t have been that bad before you died, though, Betty.
BETTY: I did some things, but I’m not going to make it public. You know, it’s…
GEORGE: Were you… were you bad?
BETTY: Yeah. Kind of.
GEORGE: I can’t believe that, just talking to you!
BETTY: (laughing) Well, you know, aren’t we all?
GEORGE: Well, there are levels of what people have done in their lives. I can’t anticipate, or even expect, that you would have done anything horrendous.
BETTY: Well nothing horrendous. But, I was raised on an Indian reservation, I was raised in… Someone just emailed me about putting down Catholics… I’m sorry, but I have to tell the truth about this. They wanted to know what Catholic school I attended. The schools I attended were on Indian reservations. This is back when they wanted to educate the Indian people, and as a child, this is simply the way that they did it. And again, I have to be honest about that. So, having been raised…
GEORGE: Well that’s the way they did it… that’s they way they did it for you.
BETTY: That’s the way they did it for me. And many others, unfortunately. Most of the children I grew up with are no longer on this planet. I mean, they left years back through drugs, alcohol, murder, and being murdered, and it was a terrible time.
GEORGE: Sounds like you were in a bad group of people.
BETTY: Well, that’s how I was raised. And so, you can only be what you’ve experienced. I mean, that is what you give out to the world, is what you know to give. I mean, I’m not that big — I’m five-foot-three — but I was a fighter; I was in many fights, hurt many people. I wasn’t a heavy drinker or anything like that; I thank God I did not become an alcoholic. But I could have; it was there in my lifestyle to become one. I’m not happy with everything that I did back then. But since the experience, I have, I hope, more than made up for it, because I know that the greatest gift we can have now is to understand people, to love them, to forgive them. And I’m able to do that because it was shown to me in the heavenly realm I was in that we’re all here for a purpose. Each one of us came here, we promised God that we would fulfill a mission for him, a plan laid out for us. Nothing is by happenstance, by mistake, or any other mysterious thing.
GEORGE: Maybe you were supposed to die.
BETTY: Well, I was. I didn’t know that until years later, after I returned, that… well, to get back to… God told me to come back. That I had promised him I would complete a mission for him.
GEORGE: What was that mission, Betty?
BETTY: I think that part of the mission was writing “Embraced by the Light”. I say “I think” because I was told to write the book. But I was also told that the moment my mission was complete that I could return. I made them promise me that, to tell you quite honestly. I said I do not want to come back. I pleaded with them. I begged with them. And finally they said yes, the minute my mission was complete that they would come for me. And that’s been thirty years ago. This November, I celebrated my thirtieth anniversary of my death. And I’m still here. Which means one of two things to me. I either have another mission to fulfill — which I think I do, and I think I know what it is — and/or I am so ignorant, I didn’t get it right, (laughing) and I’m going to have to continue to live until I do!
GEORGE: What do you think that other mission might be, if you think you’re right?
BETTY: I was told about “Embraced by the Light”, the book, which I did. I was shown the front cover of it, I was shown the back of it, all of which was done according to what they told me. I was told that “Embraced by the Light” would be made into a film, a movie. That hasn’t happened yet. I’m now working on that project. I’m beginning to write the screenplay, but it’s been very difficult because of its context, not unlike Mel Gibson’s movie, I’m sure…
GEORGE: “Passion”. Sure.
BETTY: Yes. There are many people who, well, especially in Hollywood, who have a problem with Jesus, much less God. I mean, you know, God’s a problem, too, but Jesus particularly. But, you know, it’s going to get done, because I was told that it would be done. Now whether or not that included me as part of it or not, I’m not exactly sure.
GEORGE: Well you’ve got the hard thing done, and you’ve got the book finished.
BETTY: (laughing) I thought, all I’m trying to do is live my life through, and complete my mission, and return back where I know that I belong. But in the meantime, I have acquired sixteen grandchildren…
GEORGE: Did you? Good for you!
BETTY: Yes I did. And so it’s been wonderful, awesome, and Joe and I have celebrated our fortieth anniversary, which is tremendous, so…
GEORGE: Well aren’t you glad you came back, then?
BETTY: You know, I am. But not one day of the thirty years since I’ve returned have I not done something towards the experience. In other words, I’ve spent my… I’m compelled… in the back of my books, “The Awakening Heart” and “The Ripple Effect”, I say I won’t quit. Finally, in “The Ripple Effect” I wrote: I can’t quit. I’m compelled to continue to share this message until I’m taken home.
GEORGE: Alright, when we come back… Are we at a point where they’re going to send you back to your physical body?
BETTY: Yes we are.
GEORGE: Alright, we’ll do that when we come back, because I want to know how this happened, I want to know if nurses came running around, I want to know exactly what happened to you, Betty, medically, because I am… really wondered… you were dead for four hours, you said, and obviously no brain damage; you sound okay to me…
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GEORGE: And with my guest tonight, Betty Eadie, who died. She’s back. At the top of the hour, we’ll open up the phone lines, give you a chance to chat with Betty, and also, if you’ve had a near-death experience, please, check in with us, let me know what that story is.
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GEORGE: And welcome back. Betty Eadie my guest. Okay, Betty, pick it up from how you end up back in your body.
BETTY: Well, coming back into the body was… was the most horrible experience I have ever had in my life, but I was told I had to return to fulfill that purpose, and I wouldn’t come back until they would tell me what that purpose was. They promised me that they would show me, and they did, but that it would be removed from my memory, because it had to be in order for it to be fulfilled in the way that was necessary. That if I knew what the mission was, I would try to do it out of its timing, and obviously not perform that mission very well. That each one of us has a perfect time for everything that we do, even the selection of the time we will leave this earth, through death –. any type of death. Even thought that sounds absolutely incredible that people would select to die a horrible death, or through accident or through disease. This is all known to us before we come to earth. So, I was able to view what my experience, or the continuation of my mission was to be, but I really can’t tell you what that was.
GEORGE: Well when they sent you back to your body, did you, or do you remember the way that spirit came back in, that astral body came back into the body, or did you just wake up in the physical body?
BETTY: No, the body returned very quickly, reversing the travel through the tunnel, and into the hospital room. I hovered over my body for just a little bit, and I didn’t want to re-enter it.
GEORGE: Were there others in the room by that time, trying to revive you, trying to do something, or were you still alone in there?
BETTY: At the time I entered the hospital room itself, I was alone…
BETTY: …the body was alone.
GEORGE: So I would assume no medical technicians at that moment knew you were dead yet.
BETTY: They had already been in there and, I believe, came back shortly after I came back into the body. It’s what I’m guessing. I wasn’t there to know…
GEORGE: Were you covered up? Do you remember?
BETTY: No, no. I don’t even recall what they…
GEORGE: They would have covered you, I think, if they had realized you had died. I don’t think they would have left you there for four hours. You know what I mean.
BETTY: Right. No, I don’t think they did. I think at the time… if I had to give a good guess, because at this point I would be guessing, when I re-entered the body, I really don’t recall there being people there, or whether the body was covered again; I just know that I didn’t want to re-enter the body. But when I did enter the body, I felt a tremendous amount of energy — jolt. Now whether this was through the resucitation, I don’t know, or whether it was just the spirit re-entering the body and the body coming back to life, I really couldn’t say. I know that the doctors were there, the nurses were there, I know they were doing things to me after that point. But, what they were doing exactly, I don’t know. My spirit continued to leave the body, and I was actually taken out of the body from time to time, and I would continue to experience things. They wanted me to see the conditions of the world, and what was likely to happen to it, and so they would take me out of the body so I could experience that…
GEORGE: Would these be astral projections as opposed to dying again?
BETTY: Yes. Yes. They would be what they call… I think people call them OBE’s, or something like that…
GEORGE: Yeah. Out-of-body experiences. Sure.
BETTY: Right. And, yes, I would say that’s what I continued to do for many hours. Doctors were there; they talked with me. But they were very hesitant to share anything with me, and I was very hesitant to share anything with them.
GEORGE: I mean, were they aware that you had died, or did they think maybe you were unconscious?
BETTY: Yes. They were aware that I had died, but they didn’t tell me.
GEORGE: Alright, how… when you said you died for four hours, how do you know it wasn’t three minutes?
BETTY: Well, you know, I don’t know. It could have been three minutes. I was aware of the time at 9:30, and then a quarter to 10:00 when I was in my home, and then when I returned back to the body and looked at the clock, it was 2:30. What happened in between, I wouldn’t know, at all. I just don’t have a clue to it at all. Five years later, I went to the doctor and talked with him about my experience in the hospital, and he told me then that they knew that I had died.
GEORGE: Okay, now. At this point, were the recollections of the after-death experience… were they there, or did they come later on?
BETTY: They were there from the moment I returned to the body, well not just returned to the body, they were there always, because of the experience. I knew of them, and with perfect clarity. As I mentioned earlier, when I begin to talk about the experience, and really dig into it, put my soul into it, I re-experience it. It’s amazing. It’s been thirty years, and yet this is more real to me than any other experience I have experienced on this planet.
GEORGE: Seems like yesterday, doesn’t it?
BETTY: Yes. Absolutely.
GEORGE: When you started to get involved in near-death studies… tell me a little bit about that, with the local university.
BETTY: Yes. I saw an ad in the paper, and of course this is a couple of years after the experience. Raymond Moody had come out with his book, “Life After Life” — that was in ’95 — and so it was some time about that time, and one of the universities was studying near-death, and wanted to know if there was anyone that might have thought they experienced such a thing. I contacted them, and of course interviewed with them, and began this study. It was Raymond’s book, actually, where I’d learned about near-death experiences, because I always referred to it as my “death experience”, but it was wonderful. It was so enlightening to know that other people had experienced what I experienced. There was also a near-death studies chapter, it’s a group of people who had begun to meet here in Seattle. I went to their group and listened to experiences. Many people like myself were sharing for the first time, and I don’t know if you’ve ever been to a revival meeting…
GEORGE: No, I’ve never been to one of those!
BETTY: (laughing) Well I’ll tell you what, I have, and as a child I went to one and watched the people there, and the experience, the “high” that they get from sharing…
GEORGE: Well it’s an energy!
BETTY: It’s an energy, yes. And I felt that when I shared my experience in front of these few people there — there weren’t very many there, but to be able to tell someone that knew or understood at some level what I experienced, without criticism, without doubt, without anything but just an open ear, was the most incredible experience to me, because, who else could you tell this experience to?
GEORGE: Well how versed were you, or how versed were they? I mean, did you teach them too?
BETTY: At that time, in sharing my experience, my experience was the most in-depth experience at that time. Raymond Moody had also said that, you know, he had not heard one quite so deep, until later on when people began coming out with their experiences. It became… you know, they were braver then… in numbers, you feel so comforted. But, yes, we all began to learn from each other and share our experience. So then began my study. I began looking for people who had near-death experiences. I went to… I’m in Seattle area; we have a hospital here… deals in death and dying, and did volunteer work there just so I could be around people preparing to leave this earth. I wanted to talk with them, as they made their transition, because I learned so much about the process of dying and what happens the moment you leave this earth, and who awaits you on the other side.
GEORGE: Did you try telling them that?
BETTY: Oh yes! I did.
GEORGE: You must have comforted a lot of people.
BETTY: Oh, I did. And that gave me a tremendous amount of joy, because I knew that, well, I knew what most people didn’t know, and I felt that I had to share my experience with those who also brought me a little closer to the realm that I just left, because I was so incredibly homesick, and longed for that place. I became agoraphobic and had anxiety attacks, and went into deep depression for about six years after the initial experience. Sharing my experience with others helped me to overcome that.
GEORGE: What’s it like to stare into the eyes of someone who’s about ready to die?
BETTY: When they are frightened, it is very, very painful. But when they understand, or when they are experiencing something like I experienced — and they can, if they are aware of it; fear will block experience — and so this is why I wanted to share with them what I experienced, so at the moment of their death, they would be open to the visitors in the room with them, and their greeting party.
GEORGE: Can you share with us, Betty, if you remember, maybe the one individual, the one story of someone who died, and then passed over, and before they died, you know, maybe what your conversation with them might have been? I’m just curious to see how they adapted to this.
BETTY: The one that sticks out in my mind at this moment is actually a man that was on death row a couple of years ago. And a few years before that I received a letter from him, he told he was going to be put to death, and he asked me to be his spiritual advisor. I did because I had had a dream about this man a couple of years before I heard from him, and I knew that I would be helping a man go to the other side, while he was put to death. I went to Texas — this is where this man was incarcerated — and met with him on several occasions. A half hour before he was put to death, I was allowed in his cell, and to talk with him as his spiritual advisor. Over the course of a few months, of course, I had shared my experience with him, and we sat and we talked — he had a couple of children, teenagers he was leaving behind — and we talked about them. And this man wasn’t a really violent man, but he was prepared to go down violently, as most people on death row are. In fact they make a pact that they will not be put to death without a least trying to take the warden with them, or doing some other act of violence.
GEORGE: You mean, so, they had to cuff them, or something like that?
BETTY: Yes, they make a pact. Well, I was able to bring this man to some peace, that he wouldn’t want to perform another act of violence, that his greater comfort and experience on the other side would be for him to show love. But he needed to forgive the warden and the man who would be there to execute the, well, the…
GEORGE: Well why should he forgive them? He’s the one who killed somebody.
BETTY: Because they were putting him to death, and the guilt that they would feel in doing that. So we talked about it. I really didn’t know whether this man would have faith enough in God, faith enough in me, to carry this out at the moment of his death. A half hour later, I was taken to the room to view him being put to death, the most horrible experience in my life.
GEORGE: Lethal injection, or…?
BETTY: Yes, lethal injection. And he was laying there, looking into my eyes. And he said he would, and he would remember everything I told him about the moment of his death and who would greet him. The man was perfect in death. I was just astonished. He forgave everyone.
GEORGE: Well did he have any remorse for what HE did?
BETTY: Oh yes, and he had already taken care of that months previous to that. It was just incredible. The… I don’t know, there are no words to describe it. It took me, actually, about a year and a half to overcome the trauma that I experienced. He experienced, of course, the trauma of death, of the physical death, I’m sure, but spiritually he did not. He was spiritually prepared and ready to meet God on the other side.
GEORGE: Now, now let me ask you this, because you don’t believe in hell, and I am not a believer that a murderer like that will be floating around heaven with people who are spiritual and kind during their life. What do you think happened to this guy’s soul?
BETTY: What I think happened to him… In the first place, you have to back up to what mutated. What happened, what was his change? When he was seven years old, he was sexually abused by his father until he was nine. His father was put into jail because of the abuse. His mother remarried. His stepfather began the abuse again, beating on the mother. When he was ten, he hit the stepfather with a bottle to keep him away from his mother, wounding him enough to where he was placed into a reformatory. From the reformatory, he was abused again sexually and spiritually, and in every way. He had a tremendous amount of anger. He was on drugs; he had a $400 drug habit per day when he committed murder to get more money for more drugs. I would say that God, taking this all in consideration, this man was a wounded being. He didn’t do any of this in his right mind — he didn’t have a right mind.
GEORGE: He was put behind the eight ball since the get-go, wasn’t he?
BETTY: He was doomed from the very beginning. I would like imagine that when he left his body that he was met and held in the arms of Christ. And that he would spend an eternity at least in a healing process.
GEORGE: I wonder… I wonder, Betty, if he was met by the soul of the person he killed?
BETTY: He actually had an experience with that man. One of these days I’m going to write about it and put it on my website; the story is incredible.
GEORGE: Alright, well we’re going to come right back. Maybe we’ll chat a little about that, and we’ll definitely open up the phone lines, Betty, when we come back. If you want to chat with Betty Eadie, or also give us your near-death experience, we would love to hear that. I’m George Noory, and this is Coast to Coast Worldwide AM.
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GEORGE: Indeed, with my guest Betty Eadie. We’ll be back with her now, and your phone calls, and if you have had any near-death experience stories, we’ll let you relate them, too.
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GEORGE: Betty, before we take the JAMMED phone calls here for you, can you relate a little bit of that story of the person on death row, and the person that he killed? You said that there was some kind of meeting of the minds, so to speak?
BETTY: He was actually visited by the man that he killed, and the man forgave him. It took a couple of years; he was visited three times, and on the third visit the man forgave him, which I thought was incredible. And the story is really too detailed to tell, and would be hard for me to try to break it down without, well, I would probably butcher the story.
GEORGE: I understand. Could you forgive someone who murdered you?
BETTY: Yes. I could. Because I…
GEORGE: What about someone who murdered, maybe, one of your seven children?
BETTY: Yes, I could.
GEORGE: I couldn’t do it.
BETTY: And I know that I wouldn’t have been able to do that had I not had the experience. It doesn’t mean you put up with it or that you would allow it — you would prevent it if you could — but nothing passes by God without his approval. Absolutely nothing. It’s very difficult for people to understand that our lives are not controlled so much, but they are in perfect harmony with God for our experience here.
GEORGE: Well I guess I’m not at that level of perfection yet, where I’d be able to forgive and forget. I couldn’t do it.
BETTY: I think that you… Well, obviously you are here to learn to love, and so you will eventually get there. But, you would have to know that the person committing the murder had had a very tragic experience themselves.
GEORGE: Oh no doubt. No doubt. There aren’t a lot… other than a diehard killer…
BETTY: Yeah, you hate the crime, but you cannot hate the individual. You must forgive them. And when you do that, then you’ll understand with more perfect love.
GEORGE: But if you don’t, if you don’t forgive that person that killed, let’s say, your child, that doesn’t mean that you are a bad person.
BETTY: No, it doesn’t. What it does do, though, is it… I was shown the physical effects of that lack of forgiveness. It was shown to me in the aura of an individual — it’s hate, it’s like hatred — and when you have that hatred, you can visualize it like a black hole, or a space, in your aura, in your energy field. And that black space is like a magnet that attracts like energy to it, and over time that like energy becomes disease. It causes the body and the mind to become ill. So when you see the effect of holding on to that type of energy, you wouldn’t want it.
GEORGE: Alright, let’s go to the phones. You ready, Betty?
GEORGE: First-time caller line, welcome to Coast-to-Coast, you’re on the air with Betty Eadie. Hi there.
CALLER: Hi there, George. Hi Betty.
BETTY/GEORGE: Hello. Welcome.
CALLER: This is Ray from Lake Arrowhead, California.
GEORGE: Mm-hmm. Go ahead, Ray.
CALLER: Betty, I’ve read your book “Embraced”, and I’ve had two near-death experiences, one when I was ten, and one when I was sixteen. And I’ve been troubled ever since because I can’t explain it to anybody. Nobody understands. Even my wife of twenty-eight years seems to… it’s almost trivial to her. Did you experience any of that?
BETTY: Oh absolutely. For years, even though my husband believes me because he knows that I do not lie, that I would rather face anything else. I know that truth just makes you feel so good, and why lie about it, what’s there to gain? And he knew that about me, but he couldn’t quite, he just can’t grasp the experience, and it was very difficult, very frustrating for me. I had a man who was ninety-four years old call me, when my telephone number was still in the telephone book; he had not told anyone about an experience he had when he was twenty-one with death, and he lived a lifetime in agony, just as you are feeling, having this experience that you want someone to understand. It’s very frustrating, isn’t it?
CALLER: And I was sent back, as you, with this huge purpose, and I’ve been trying to find it ever since, and it seems to get [?] further and further. How is it you managed to find your purpose?
BETTY: But I haven’t.
CALLER: You haven’t yet.
BETTY: No! Oh no! I know that I have done some of the things I was told to do, but this continuation of my mission still goes on. I mean it’s thirty years since I had the experience, and I was told that not one of us leave this earth until we fulfilled our mission. And I’m still here, and I expected to be gone within months of the experience.
GEORGE: How did you happen to have two near-death experiences at such a young age? What happened to you?
CALLER: Well, George, the first one was an accident, it happened on a school yard. There was a… I was rough-housing with a friend, and I got slammed into the pavement pretty hard. And the second one was a drug overdose at sixteen. And… I don’t like talking about that one very much.
GEORGE: Ah. I understand, I understand. Well, I’m glad you’re still with us.
BETTY: Was that a negative experience, the drug overdose?
CALLER: No. It was…
BETTY: Was it a positive one?
BETTY: Some people have a negative experience; in other words, some people will actually experience hell. And I was told that God uses what is, and oftimes he will use hell as a part of a near-death experience to show us how painful it would be if we continued on in a certain lifestyle.
GEORGE: Betty, because you are now so sensitive, do you sometimes experience spirits and ghosts? Do you see them running around houses and things like that?
BETTY: I do. I don’t talk about it very often for obvious reasons, but yes, I still have retained some sensitivity to that. What I am more sensitive to, and that is connecting with people’s thoughts, connecting with their energy fields. I can sense when they are about to face something or what they feel. That is more challenging to live with than actual ghosts or spirits, you know, disincarnate spirits.
GEORGE: Why don’t they just go away?
BETTY: Well, because they have interests here as well.
GEORGE: Probably financial interests. (They both laugh.) You never know. Wildcard line, welcome to Coast to Coast. You’re on the air with us. Hi there.
CALLER: Yeah, hi.
GEORGE: Yeah, go ahead.
CALLER: I’ve got a couple of philosophical questions, I guess, for Betty, right?
GEORGE: Sure. She is listening and ready to go.
CALLER: Okay. Alright, you believe in hell on earth, and the illusion of hell, like the fear of hell…
BETTY: I believe… (caller interrupts, then she proceeds) I guess I do believe life can be hell here on earth, but I also believe in the life review, which is a form of hell to me. I do not believe that God casts us into any fiery furnace or lake or whatever. No, I simply cannot even conceive of that. But I do know that he has wisdom, and he wants us to grow to the wisdom he has, and we can do that by experiencing everything that we have created, everything that we have done. We internalize that knowledge, and we grow from that. And so, when you do wrong, if you don’t know what wrong you’ve done, how can you grow beyond that? You cannot. And so he allows us to experience that for our own benefit.
CALLER: Right. Kind of like showing your children a belt, but not actually spanking them.
BETTY: Well, maybe a little bit more than that. Sometimes, you know, the native people never remove their children when their children are near fire, they always allow their children –. they protect them, and not allow them to get painfully hurt — but they allow them to be a little bit burnt, right? And that child might be almost a year old, will never go near fire again, not in that way. They’re more cautious, but they will continue to explore. And that’s what God wants from us. In fact, he told me that we make mistakes here, that’s what we’re here to do. It is through our mistakes that we have the greatest growth.
GEORGE: As long as we learn from those, right?
BETTY: Yes. But you will continue to make the same mistakes until you learn, don’t we? We do this all the time.
CALLER: What’s your belief, like, soul-less people, people without conscience or anything, with no guilt trip whatsoever…
BETTY: Many of these people are actually placed on this planet for our experience. It’s very difficult to judge which way that is. I, for instance… In “Embraced by the Light”, you’ll read where I wrote about, and I received — boy, I tell you what, I get slammed a lot — in this particular vision that they showed me is one of those that people haven’t like to read about. And I was a very judgmental person before I had my death experience, and the heavens scrolled back and they told me to look down and explain to them what I saw. And what I saw was a drunken man on the street. He had been that way most of his life. And I said in a very judgmental fashion, “Why, a drunken old bum.” And they said, “We’re going to take him out of his body so that you can see what this man’s spirit is truly like.” And they took him out of his body, and I saw his spirit — his spirit outshone mine by… a bazillion watts. He was a tremendous spirit. They said he was here as a teacher only, that he didn’t need an experience on earth, but that he was here to help us here, to teach one man, one soul actually. It was an attorney who would make eye contact with him, and through that eye contact, a remembrance of their commitment to each other before they came here would be transmitted, and that attorney would do wonderful work for many, many people because of this one man. And so we cannot judge one person’s mission here, not one single soul.
GEORGE: The possibilities of guardian angels… Did that ever come up?
BETTY: Oh, we all have them. I had eight before I returned to the earth…
BETTY: Eight, uh-huh.
GEORGE: Give me a few, would you?
BETTY: Well, you may already have more! I mean, you know, you don’t believe in a lot of things, you probably do have more.
GEORGE: (laughing) What do you… Thanks a lot, Betty! What do you need so many for?
BETTY: Well, there are those… We’re constantly receiving inspiration. When you live in the fast lane, which many of us chose to do… When we came here, life is like a river, and when we came, we chose the fast rapid waters, some chose to go ebb and tide along the bank, they wanted something a little more mellow, maybe their spirit, that’s where their spirit level was. Many of us just dove right in, and I’m sure that that’s what I did because I tend to live in the fast lane of things. I would need more guardian angels for that. I would think that you would too.
GEORGE: (laughing) Thanks. East of the Rockies, welcome to Coast to Coast. Hi there.
CALLER: Yes, good morning, George. Good morning, Betty.
BETTY/GEORGE: Good morning.
CALLER: Very interesting program. This is Francis calling from Brooklyn, and what you said, Betty, seems to make a lot of sense after sort of exploring the Western metaphysical traditions of the last century, about a compassionate creator for all of humankind. But I have a question. We’ve been going through so many very divisive things in the last two years, especially the war in Iraq. It’s not only tearing the people of Iraq apart, but it’s tearing Americans apart. And I’m wondering, have you come across what is a purpose for war, you know, what can we do to sort of prevent it or learn from it, or, you know, I guess maybe that’s the question that’s been on the top of my mind.
BETTY: Yeah. Well in life, our experience on this particular earth is to learn to love unconditionally. And we are challenged with war, we are challenged with many things that will bring us eventually to that, if we will let it. Now, of course, I don’t know who believes this besides me, but this is a religious war we are going through. It will become known as a religious war. It’s religious, and yet again it tends to point to certain attributes that we are to overcome, such as greed. And power, the need for control and power, all of that. And this is what’s happening right now. We have many precious souls giving up their lives so that we might learn. From the heavenly realm, this war is actually going to benefit us; we can benefit from it. And we should do that, and quickly learn, so that we can get past this.
GEORGE: Betty, I hear all kinds of stories where someone says he’s driving on the freeway, he falls asleep, he’s ready to pull into an oncoming car on the other side, and all of sudden a hand reaches in and steers him back to safety, and there’s nobody else in the car with him. What is happening with people like that?
BETTY: This is part of their guardianship. I could tell you a bazillion stories that are just incredible. And one story actually happened to my daughter. She rolled over in her car. She didn’t have her seatbelt on. And as the car skidded and flipped in the ditch, the tire catching in the ditch, arms wrapped around her, like from behind her, and held her in place. Many people… and you could say, okay, then why… perhaps someone else who had a family member killed in a car, why didn’t their loved one survive? I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt, it was their time to go. And yet that sounds so incredible, I mean it’s just… How can that be? And yet, I know and believe with all my heart that that is so.
GEORGE: Yeah, I tell you what, there is something there that is deeper than most can imagine.
Most people who have a near-death experience don’t have a life review like you did. How come?
BETTY: They just don’t recall it. I think most people who have near-death experiences really do have an experience that is in greater depth than they recall. Because much of what I experienced was actually taken from me. And I’m kind of glad, because if I had to share it all… I mean, there are some things I haven’t talked about, because what I wrote about in “Embraced by the Light” was almost too incredible. I had to keep some things that people just simply wouldn’t understand. Even in the writing of “Embraced”, it’s carefully crafted to share it in the most perfect form, but when I read it, it doesn’t tell it exact. I don’t know that there is a way to tell it perfectly.
GEORGE: Sometimes you just have to experience it. We’ll all have to eventually, Betty. Stay with us. More of your phone calls, on Coast to Coast AM, America’s most listened-to late night talk show, because you made it that way. I’m George Noory, back in a moment.
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GEORGE: Betty Eadie my guest. I’m George Noory, of course. Betty has had a near-death experience, happened at the age of thirty-one, thirty years ago. Betty, what about somebody who is a non-believer, just doesn’t believe, doesn’t have the faith, and has one of these experiences. What happens to them?
BETTY: They are brought to understand. In fact, a woman I am helping write a book about the experience her husband had — he was actually an atheist; he was a professor at the Berkley University, this man was a paleontologist, grew up in science, and didn’t believe in God, an atheist. Spent many years on radio, etc., sharing his belief in nothing, no one, and just science. When he died, back in 19… I think it was ’76, the hospital ended up calling him The Man Who Wouldn’t Die, because he actually had about four near-death experiences in a row.
BETTY: Yes. This is the truth. I mean, he died, they took him down to the room that they take the people who die, only to retrieve him and bring him back up and then he died again, they took him back down again… This went on, four times. Finally he did pass.
GEORGE: In my earlier days in radio, I had many near-death experiences while I was on the air! (both laugh)
BETTY: Well this man died and met with God. And he apologized for having lived his entire life — he was in his late seventies when he died — apologized for living his entire life and never believing in God. And God said, “It wasn’t for you to believe in me. But your life served its purpose. It served to help those who did believe in me.”
GEORGE: That’s interesting.
BETTY: Oh, it’s awesome. It’s an awesome, awesome story.
GEORGE: More phone calls. You ready for some more?
GEORGE: Wildcard line, welcome to Coast to Coast. You’re on with Betty Eadie! Hi there.
GEORGE: Yeah, go ahead.
CALLER: Hi, this is Lori. I’m from [?] New York.
GEORGE: Hi Lori.
CALLER: About… I was twenty-six, which is about ten years ago, I O.D.ed, and died. It was really a different experience from what she was talking about. I had a niece who had died a couple of months before that — she was only two — and I had a brother who had died in ’82, and he was only four. And I had met with them during this experience. And even though they were at that age when I saw them — and this was in a beautiful little field, and they were playing and stuff like that — they talked as if they were an adult. And they told me I had to go home, that there was something I had to do.
GEORGE: And you didn’t want to go, did you? You didn’t want to come back.
CALLER: No, I did not. No. I have a long history at that point of suicide attempts, depression, the whole works.
GEORGE: Oh my. You’re… How’re you doing now? You okay?
CALLER: I’m doing really well! Right now I’m… I got out of an abusive relationship, I just got my bachelor’s degree in teaching…
GEORGE: Good for you!
CALLER: …and I start working on my Master’s in February.
GEORGE: See, they helped you… So they send you back, you didn’t want to go, but they did… Did they have to bring you back to your body kicking and screaming?
CALLER: Well they gave me a choice. (laughing) They showed me hell, and told me I could go there, or I could go back to my body.
GEORGE: Was it a difficult choice for you?
CALLER: No. (laughing)
GEORGE: You came back.
CALLER: No, no. It was an awful sight. And I know I’ve read about people who have seen hell with a near-death…
BETTY: Yes, there’s a… Barbara Rommer, and I can’t remember the title of her book. [Blessing in Disguise: Another Side of the Near-Death Experience] But if people are interested in what you just stated, if they would look for her book, she wrote the perfect book about people who have had near-death experiences and experienced hell. I think that that will explain it. With the short time that I’m here on the radio, and the difficulty in trying to explain it, I wouldn’t want to mislead anyone. I do not believe in hell; I still don’t believe in hell, although I encourage people who have had hell experiences to share them, because there is a great understanding that you receive from the hell experience. And so if you’ll remember her name — write that down and look for her book — you can get it in the library — Barbara Rommer — and it’s filled with experiences of people who have had experience with hell and not heaven.
GEORGE: How does she spell her last name?
BETTY: I believe it’s R-O-M-M-E-R.
GEORGE: Okay. Thanks. You’re doing alright.
CALLER: Yeah, it was a life-changing…
GEORGE: Good for you. Good for you. Well, you know, you’re going to get your Ph.D. eventually the way you’re going!
CALLER: Well, yeah. (laughing) Actually I have a job, I’m going to be directing my own school when I finish my Master’s.
GEORGE: Good for you. Keep listening.
CALLER: I do every night now.
GEORGE: Appreciate your call.
CALLER: Yep. Thank you.
GEORGE: First-time caller line. You are on… No, let’s go East of the Rockies. That’s been blinking for awhile. You’re on Coast to Coast. Hi there.
CALLER: Hi! Can you hear me?
GEORGE: I sure can, loud and clear.
CALLER: Good! This is Jane from Sioux Falls. Do you know where that’s at, Betty?
BETTY: Yes I do.
CALLER: Well sure! Well anyway, it’s just great and wonderful to hear a comforting, warm voice like yours explaining to us on earth here what love is all about, that brilliant immaculate love that’s waiting for us. And I just think you have such a glorious mission being sent back to earth here to help us understand that.
BETTY: Well thank you.
CALLER: And I wanted to ask you: How would we go about, and is it important for us — how would we go about choosing death rather than succumbing to performing an act of hatred?
BETTY: I think that our greatest gift to God is to live our life through; I mean, he blessed us to have it. We all, each one, have a purpose here on this earth, something that we promised him that we would do. I’m a promise-keeper, and I think that, well, my prayer last night was “God, please help me through the day, and the next few days,” because I want so much to keep my promise to him. I would not want to die and go back and see him and know that I did not complete that. So I would live this life over ANYTHING that I had to endure, no matter what it is, come hell or high water. This is his gift to me, and so continuing in doing that, and I encourage everyone out there: Life wasn’t meant to be easy. It’s meant to be filled with challenges. And not only that, but I saw firsthand that not one of us will endure one thing that we cannot stand, that we are gifted with the ability to see it through.
CALLER: Sure, that sounds great to me. (laughing)
BETTY: Yes it does. And God bless you, hang in there, like everyone else. And I wouldn’t want anyone to be confused, you know, I’ve been kind of glancing at my email here and some people are talking about Jesus and their misunderstanding that my belief in him… it’s all a matter of words. This person said, “He’s your Lord and Savior…”, etc., etc. — I never said he wasn’t, but they, not understanding the Bible — Lord and Savior means someone came and rescued you, and Jesus did that in that he brought the truth back to the earth, that we can get to God, the Father, through love. And it’s through that gateway, which is narrow, that we can return back to God. And that’s what this earth life is all about, is learning how to love, so we can go back to our Father in heaven who IS love. And so no matter how great the challenge, stick with love, and just say to yourself: You know what? I’m going to get through this! I have to learn to love myself and love every other mortal being on this earth, and I can do that.
GEORGE: In addition to your books, Betty, the book you just recommended by Barbara Rommer is “Blessing in Disguise”.
BETTY: Oh, thank you!
GEORGE: Okay? There you go. Let’s go back to the calls. West of the Rockies, welcome to Coast to Coast, you are on the air. Hi there.
CALLER: Hi, is this me?
GEORGE: Yes it is, sir, go ahead.
CALLER: Oh. Well, my question, my predicament here is: I’ve had an enlightenment experience which I see very much the same as a near-death experience or life-after-death experience, and I’m having some difficulties and I was wondering if Betty would be able to help me out. It’s kind of a little bit of a background thing to get up…
GEORGE: Well I tell you what, why don’t we do this. Betty, do you take personal emails, do you help people that way?
BETTY: I would hate to say yes because I receive thousands of emails. I do read them but I really have not been able to get back to too many. However, if you were to email me tonight, I…
CALLER: I don’t have a computer right now…
GEORGE: How do we do this? Because I don’t have that kind of time right now to probably get the rest of his story, and I don’t want to cut him off in midstream.
BETTY: Maybe he could write me?
GEORGE: Alright, how about it. Do you have a pencil there, sir?
CALLER: Yes I do.
GEORGE: Okay. How about an address, Betty…
BETTY: Yes. It’s a P.O. box. It’s betty@… I was about to give you my email address… It’s P.O. Box 25480, Seattle, WA, 98125.
GEORGE: We’ll give that one more time for you, sir. (repeats address) And then… I tell you what, because I don’t want you to get inundated with letters as well, if you put a self-addressed stamped envelope back to yourself… Betty, write him a little letter and send it back to him, would you do that for us?
BETTY: Yes, I will.
GEORGE: Okay, I appreciate that. Let’s move on. Let’s go to our first-time caller line. You’re on Coast to Coast with us. Hello!
CALLER: Hi there!
CALLER: This is Maureen calling from the heart of the Rockies in Frisco, Colorado.
GEORGE: Hello Maureen!
CALLER: I have to tell you I am so thrilled with your program that I actually sponsor it on our late-night radio programming.
GEORGE: Oh do you!
CALLER: I do! High Country radio out of Dillon, Granby, and Kremlin.
GEORGE: Well thank you! I appreciate that!
CALLER: My pleasure! I have a question for Betty, and it has to do with the comments regarding suicide and how that is like the ultimately bad thing to do, or that you should not make that choice. And I’m challenged by that in the saying that when your time is up, your time is up, and nothing happens without God’s consent. And so, I have a friend who has committed suicide, and I know a number of people who have as well, and so how is it possible that they pass if it’s not their time, even if it is by their own hand?
BETTY: Because everything that passes the Father is allowed. He allows it, because he allows us free will to work within our lives. And, people who take their lives are wounded souls. Would you agree with that?
BETTY: They are not in their right minds, and anyone who would say that they are just simply don’t know. God would not cast them out. I know that firsthand. I know that’s very difficult to a world that has grown traditionally to believe that if you took your lives you would cast into hell. Not to say that during your experience through a life review that you might not have to experience a time of, I guess, renewal, a time of education. That would be devastating to the soul when you knew that you threw back God’s gift of life in his face practically. And so you wouldn’t want to do this. But I just am a firm believer that ANYONE who takes their life is not in their right mind.
CALLER: Mm-hmm. And so, is it your belief that there’s something that takes place in the interim before they come back again for the next life, or the next…
BETTY: Yes, they’d have to go through a healing. And people who take their own life would have to go through the healing. And this is part of the space that I think that… I went to this dark space at first. I was a wounded soul in many ways, and I believe that the healing, the black void, the space where I received God’s love, in spite of the upbringing I had, and where I was, my perception and understanding, he loved me regardless. But I had to go through a cleansing in order to be received by him.
CALLER: Is there anything we can do from the earth plane to help our loved ones who have committed suicide?
BETTY: Yes. Prayer. Prayer. It’s the most incredible weapon, it’s the most incredible gift.
CALLER: And should that take any particular form?
BETTY: No. No form at all, except for your prayer to God, and you talk to him just like I’m talking to you right now. All you have to say is — I refer to him as Father because he’s the Father-creator of all things — and I just say: Father, you know how things are today. Bless this person, whatever, whatever, whatever, just as you would to a father. And he hears all prayers. Your prayer, because it is unselfish, would be one that would be received to him like a tremendous beam of light, and not the little pinpoints of light which are usually very selfish prayers. I was shone prayers and how they go up to heaven, and they’re like… they go up like energy, waves of energy. The broader the beam, the less selfish, the purer form of prayer. And those prayers, angels rush out to answer those prayers immediately, they are orchestrated by God to do so.
GEORGE: Betty, I want to thank you for an enlightening program. The clock is ticking. Your books: “Embraced by the Light”, “The Awakening Heart”… Your website, of course, will direct a lot of people to your books… I assume amazon.com also sells them?
BETTY: Yes they do, and they can find them in the library. My work is not about money as people would imagine it is, it’s about the message of God’s unconditional love.
GEORGE: You’re one of the first authors that’s ever said “Go to the library.”
BETTY: I prefer them to go to the library, because then (laughing) they won’t look at me and say, “She’s after the money.” I really don’t care how they get this message, I just want them to GET THE MESSAGE.
GEORGE: Well let me congratulate you on enlightening a lot of people. It’s kind of refreshing to do that every once in a while.
BETTY: Thank you very much, and thank you SO much for having me on your show.
GEORGE: Okay, Betty. You take care. You have a great night, okay?
BETTY: Yes I will.
An Interview with Bestselling Author
Betty J. Eadie
By Jim Perkins
Betty Eadie’s publisher, Gold Leaf Press, was calling her book “Embraced By The Light”, a publishing phenomenon after it had been on the New York Times Bestseller list a scant six months. That was in August. In less than a year it has sold more than one million copies. It is the first book Eadie has ever written and that Gold Leaf Press has ever published – it is still going strong.
Gold Leaf Press was formed for the express purpose of publishing Eadie’s book. She spoke about her near-death experience several times in the year and a half before her book was published, so people were already familiar with it. The first six months it was on the market it sold primarily by word of mouth. It was called a phenomenon becaue people would read it, then buy 10 or 15 more copies for family and friends.
Eadie is the mother of eight children and grandmother of eight. Her husband Joe, retired from the Air Force, is now employed by a “major aerospace corporation” in Seattle.
As the daughter of a Sioux-Indian mother, Eadie was raised in rural Nebraska and on the Rosebud Indian Reservation in South Dakota. After leaving school at the age of 15 to care for a younger sister, she returned to complete high school and is nearing a college degree. She owns a successful business as a registered counselor and works as a volunteer for a major cancer research center.
Embraced By The Light is Eadie’s account of a near-death experience she had at the age of 31. It begins with her checking into the hospital for a hysterectomy. Then something went wrong. She died when she wasn’t supposed to. She as restored to life a changed woman, believing she had a message of love to share with other people. The message came from Jesus. She has some startling things to say about him.
TT: Betty, you say in you book that Jesus is a separate being from God, with his own divine purpose. Doesn’t this go somewhat against the teaching of most Protestant churches?
Eadie: “My Protestant teaching ws that God the Father and Jesus were one being. When I had my experience I learned that Jesus is the son of God, he shares Godhood, but he himself is not God. The Trinity is still valid if I understand it correctly, though. It’s like saying your parents are one: they’re not the same person, but they are one in their shared union. As I checked the Scripture out, this made a lot of sense – united as one, but not the same person.”
TT: How do you answer people who say you’re wrong?
Eadie: “I don’t worry about people who say I’m wrong. All I’m doing is sharing my experience. I’m not trying to convince anyone.”
TT: How do you answer accusations that you are a New Age believer?
Eadie: “Some Christians along the Bible belt have said my book sounds New Age, but the New Agers say it sounds Christian. Book store owners don’t know whether to place my book in the Christian section of the New Age section but it’s God-inspired, so it can sit in a section by itself.”
“I receive many letters from people who say they can tell I’m Muslim or Buddhist or Catholic. But I believe all faiths have a common thread. Most church goers don’t truly know what other religions believe, yet they are very quick to criticize other religions.”
TT: In you book you say, quote: “All healing takes place within.” Would you elaborate on that a little bit?
Eadie: “I think it’s a fairly common belief now that our spirits heal our bodies. I’ve worked with many physicians and they know that medicine alone does not heal. You can give the same medicine to two people, one will heal, the other won’t. If a person is not receptive to the medicince, he or she will no heal.
“It’s not what you consume, but what you absorb. If you absorb belief, you absorb the medicine. We can choose to reject sickness. Sometimes, of course, you get sick for a reason. When you get a cold or the flu it’s for a good reason; it’s to slow you down, give your body rest.”
TT: One of the more intriguing aspects of your book is the idea that people, as spirits in heaven, or wherever, choose to come to earth as mentally or physically handicapped children to help themselves and their parents acheive spritual growth.
Eadie: “That’s one of the most well-received sections of the book. Many people with handicapped children have come to recognize those children as being special. These kids are so full of love.
“I had a letter once from a person who had been abused as a child. This person said she knew she had to select her parents to helpt them change their memory patterns. Child abuse is not only passed down, but it’s contained in our cell’s memories. We can’t always guess what our purpose in life is, but it is possible that a child’s parents might not learn abuse is wrong, but that child will choose not to pass that abuse along. I receive many letters where the writer says, ‘I would not have chosen my parents because they were abusive or alcoholic or something else and I choose not to be that way. But these letters just prove my point.
“It’s like going to college. You don’t take only easy classes. Some classes are harder than others and they’re constructed that way to help you learn. Many of us, having a pure knowledge God, selected the situation in which we could grow.”
TT: What is pure knowledge? How do you define pure knowledge?
Eadie: “Pure knowledge is pure understanding of anything you want to understand. For instance, I hear you typing on a computer keyboard. If you wanted a pure understanding of your computer, the knowledge of who the manufacturer is, who inspired production, who packaged it, how it ended up on your desk and so one, it would flow through you.”
TT: Can we gain knowledge of people in the same way?
Eadie: “In my life review, which was part of my near-death experience, I suddenly understood my entire life, from birth on I understood my parents, my teachers, everyone who contributed to who I am today.”
TT: That sounds like something out of psychology. Don’t psychologists and psychiatrists try to take you back to your childhood to help you understand who you are today?
Eadie: “Yes and in fact, I became a hypnotherapist because I learned you have to go back to your core, to what made you, what created your emotions (ultimately that’s God), what you learned from your environments, your parents and so on.”
TT: Hypnotherapy is somewhat controversial these days in that a lot of people believe hypnotherapists are putting false memories of childhood abuse into their patient’s head.
Eadie: “You believe many things because someone tells you to believe. You receive subconscious suggestions everyday from the television, from newspapers, etc. Hypnotherapy is certainly no more dangerous than television.”
TT: When did you have your near-death experience?
Eadie: “Twenty years ago last November. People have asked me why I didn’t write the book then. I certainly could have used the money because I needed money more when my kids were younger. But I waited to write the book because there’s a part of it that’s about my adopted daughter, now 14, and I felt she had to reach this age to be abe to understand it.”
“The timing is right, now. I feel like people need the book now. But I’ve been talking to others about my experience all along, particularly when I’ve counseled someone one-on-one.”
TT: What’s your life like now that “Embraced By The Light” is so successful? Are you writing another book?
Eadie: “I was on Oprah Jan 3. I’m getting ready for a European tour. I have movie and video offers pending. And yes, I am working on another book. It should come out in the middle of the year. It will answer some questions raised by my first book; it’s a sequel.
TT: Are you going to become the new Shirley MacLaine?
Eadie: “No, I’m not going to become the new Shirley MacLaine. What motivates me is seeing first hand how my book is changing lives. I was in Toronto yesterday and a woman who once contemplated suicide, called me and said after reading my book, she decided not to take her life, but to work toward putting her marriage back together. That’s what inspires me. I believe I was restored to life because I have a mission in to complete.”
TT: Do you think everybody has a mission in life?
Eadie: “Yes I do and I think that mission is always there. Each morning when you wake up, you know you have something to do. You don’t always achieve your mission, but your spirit is constantly guiding you in the right direction. It all goes back to the old saying ‘Follow your heart and you won’t be wrong.'”